Chimwemwe chinathera poyamba nkhondo, Tabakov anali ndi zaka zisanu ndi chimodzi zokha. Bambo ndi amayi - madotolo - anachita ntchito yawo, ndipo chachikulu m'moyo anali agogo a chikondi. Kuchokera pamsewu mumsewu mnyamatayo anaganiza zopulumutsa muzithunzi za Palace of Pioneers ndi ana a sukulu. Zoonadi, chirichonse chinayamba pamenepo. Ndi mtsogoleri wa studio ya Saratov, Oleg Pavlovich akadalibe "mulungu wa ntchitoyi.
Mosiyana ndi anzake ambiri, m'moyo wake Oleg Tabakov sanafunike kuyesa maunivesite akuluakulu - adalembetsa masukulu awiri - ku GITIS ndi ku Moscow Art Theatre School yotchedwa Nemirovich-Danchenko ... Anasankha Moscow Art Theatre School-Studio. Kuyambira apo wakhala akusewera ... Mndandanda wa maudindo ake muwonetsero ndi ma cinema angatenge mapepala osaposa limodzi, kuphatikizapo kuphunzitsa (osati ku Russia kokha, komanso ku mayiko akunja: maphunziro ake ku America anapezeka ndi Murray Abraham ndi Dustin Hoffman) masewera awiri - Moscow Art Theatre. Chekhov ndi wotchuka "Snuffbox" ... Koma iye amadzitcha yekha osati mtsogoleri, koma "mtsogoleri wa mavuto", yemwe sankangomutsitsimutsa iye panthawi zovuta za masewera, komanso kubwereranso owona kumeneko. Moyo wa Tabakov ukufotokozedwanso mwachimwemwe: Zaka 15 zatha kale kuchokera m'banja la Tabakov wazaka 60, mtsikana wazaka 30, dzina lake Marina Zudina, ndipo mikangano yokhudza nkhaniyi siidakali pano. Panthawiyi, Tabakov, osadandaula kwambiri ndi momwe Marina analili (asanalowe m'banja, chibwenzi chawo sichinathe zaka zambiri kapena zaka 12), akusangalala ndi kubadwa kwa ana - Paul ndi Masha. Ndi mwa iwo omwe amawona tanthauzo la kukhalapo ndi gwero la mphamvu
Pachikondwerero chake chachisanu 75, iye amachoka mwachangu, amatha kusewera ku Tartuffe, akuyendetsa masewera, amapereka maluwa kwa akazi ake okondedwa ndikuyesera kuyenda ndi achinyamata amakono. Ponena za ntchito yowopsya, za ubale pakati pa anthu ndi owonerera - Oleg Tabakov adati mu zokambirana.
- Inu mukudziwa, Oleg Pavlovich, ndi anthu onga inu, sindikufuna kuti ndiyankhule za zomwe zikuwonekera pazinthu zanu, maudindo.
Zikomo chifukwa cha zimenezo!
- Izi ndi zanu kwa chirichonse.
Inde, ndiri ndi chinachake? Ndikuchita chinachake chimene ndimachikonda, ndipo ndikubweretsa chimwemwe kwa ena! Zimapezeka kuti iye mwiniyo ndi wokondwa, komanso ndikusangalatsa ena. Kotero, inu, mwachitsanzo, mumakhala wokondwa pamene mukuwonera kanema wabwino kapena ntchito?
- kwambiri!
Ngakhale palibe chatsopano chomwe chinapezeka, kumva kapena kuwona?
- Ngakhale choncho!
Pano ndiwe - woyang'ana kwambiri. "Kuchokera kumsonkhano wathu," monga momwe abale amachitira!
- Nthawi zonse mumalankhulana ndi anthu. Kodi muli ndi chidwi ndipo mumasowa zonse zomwe mwaziwona, zomwe mwaphunzira?
O, o ... ndithudi. Nthawi zonse ndimalankhula ndi omvera anga. Muzitolo, mu sitolo, ndi oyandikana nawo pamtunda. Inde, sindidzivutitsa ndekha. Musaganize za chirichonse chonga icho. Nthawi zonse ndimamvetsera anthu omwe akufuna kunena chinachake, kuti ndipeze. Ndipotu, ine ndekha ndinali wamng'ono.
- Motani?
Ndipo apa apa! Popanda mfumu mitu yanga (kuseka). Ndicho chikonzero cha unyamata ndi unyamata kukhala ngati kuyendayenda m'munda ndi daisies ndi chimanga cha chimanga. Pa awiri awiriwa, kuwuluka, kuwuluka.
- Ngati muyang'ana za msinkhu, pakati pa mafanizi a Tabakov aang'ono kapena akuluakulu?
Mafanizi anga ndi abwino chifukwa ali ambiri, ndipo onse ndi osiyana. Zosiyana kwambiri. Ndipo wina amabwera ndi maluwa a m'chigwa, ndipo wina amabweretsa dengu la maluwa, ndipo amapereka ndalama kumalo owonetsera. Chinthu chachikulu ndi chakuti onse amabwera ku zisudzo chifukwa cha chikondi cha ine, ndipo chifukwa chake amapeza chisangalalo ndi maganizo kuchokera ku zonse zomwe zilipo. Ndizofunika kwambiri. Kodi mumamvetsa? Chinthu chachikulu ndi chakuti aliyense (chabwino, ndikuyembekeza kuti aliyense), yemwe anabwera ku masewero, amayang'ana kunja kwa makoma ake mosiyana ndi momwe akumvera.
- Kodi pali malingaliro m'moyo wanu omwe adakupangani kukhala "munthu wosiyana"?
Ndili ndi zaka 75! Ndipo ine ndimakonda masewero kuyambira ubwana. Kodi mukuganiza kuti pangakhale chinthu chonga ichi m'moyo wanga? Inde, izo zinali. Funso lina ndiloti pofika zaka 75, sikuti mukukumbukira kale. Zowonjezereka, si choncho. Kumbukirani, koma osati zabwino kwambiri. Mukudziwa, chifukwa chikumbukiro cha anthu chimakonzedwera mwanjira yoti bokosi lathu likhale lopambana kuposa zoipa. Kotero za masewero omwe asintha ine. Zoonadi, izi ndizo zopangidwa ndi zochitika zamakono, za Lyubimov. Koma chinthu chofunikira kwambiri ndi masewero amakono. Ndani akugwiritsanso ntchito ndikuyesera lero? Izi ndizochokera kwa Nina Chusova, Kirill Serebrennikov, Raikin, Mashkov, Butusov. Sindinawerenge zonsezi.
- Kodi mumatani kuti mukhale ndi talente?
Talente? Ndiyeno ndinaganiza, mudzakambirana za mawonekedwe anga mosamala. Ndipotu, m'moyo, kuwonekera kwatsopano ndikofunikira. Ndi pamene iwe uli wamng'ono, iwe umadziwa chirichonse kwa nthawi yoyamba. Ndipo mwachidziwitso, malingaliro amphamvu kwambiri, malingaliro okhudza dziko lapansi aikidwa zaka ziwiri mpaka zisanu, kotero udindo wa makolo pano ndi wapamwamba kwambiri. Ndiyeno pang'onopang'ono zitseko zatsekedwa, mabokosiwo ndi odzaza, ndipo mumayamba kugwiritsa ntchito zomwe zili mkati. Pang'onopang'ono, simusangalala ndi zomwe zikukuzungulirani. Mwadzidzidzi, pazifukwa zina zikuwoneka kuti pamene mudali aang'ono, ndipo nyimbo zinali zabwino, ndipo mabuku ndi osangalatsa kwambiri. Mwa njira, izi siziri choncho nthawi zonse. Zosangalatsa zokhudzana ndi ife zikusintha - ndizosapeŵeka.
- Popeza inu nokha munanena za mawonekedwe ... Kodi mukuganiza za mapaundi owonjezera?
Ngati sindinachimwe, sindikanaganiza. Ine ndikukamba za tchimo la kususuka, mwa njira. Kawirikawiri, chifukwa cha ntchitoyi ndimataya 800 magalamu kufika kilogalamu. Koma popeza kutayika sikungatheke, ine ndiri pano, ndipo ndimalipiritsa ndi pies asanu. Ndizo zakudya zanga zonse!
- Mwawona chisangalalo cha abambo kasanu ndi kamodzi. Ndi yani yomwe inali yodabwitsa kwambiri, yachilendo?
Pasha ndi Masha, omwe anabala Marina. Sasha, mwana wamkazi wa banja loyamba, Anton - ndi mnyamata. Ndipo amuna nthawi zonse amakhala oyamba kufuna anyamata. Ndinawona Anton ali m'chipatala, ndipo nthawi yomweyo ndinamvetsa! Kawirikawiri, chithumwa ndi zovuta za abambo zinamveka pamene Anton ndi Sasha ankaphunzira kusukulu ya sekondale. Pomwe panali kale sukulu, mavuto a achinyamata. Kenaka ndinazindikira kuti ndinali ndi udindo kwa iwo, komanso chifukwa cha zochita zawo. Panali zochitika zoterozo - Anton anathyola galasi, kwinakwake ndi anyamata omwe ali pakhomo lakumtunda, anamangidwa ndi apolisi, ndipo pambuyo pake sanapite kusukulu kwa nthawi yaitali. Ndiyeno ndinaganiza kuti: "Kodi ndikulakwa? Mwina ana anga sawona momwe angakhalire? "Koma, moona mtima, Pasha ndi Masha - ichi ndi chimwemwe changa. Ndimasamba okha. Ndipo iwo ali mwa ine. Tili ndi masewera athu, kukambirana, ndi katemera ndi mafilimu. Pamene Marina achoka penapake poponya kapena paulendo, tilibe kusowa kwina. Ine ndimawatenga iwo, ine ndimayendetsa paliponse, ndipo iwo, nawonso, amakhala ngati angelo. Mwa iwo okha.
Modzichepetsa. Pomwepo, ndithudi, ojambula ena amawonekera. Mutu umenewo umathamangidwanso mmbuyo, ndiye kuusa moyo mwanjira ina yapadera. Ndizodabwitsa.
- Anthu ambiri amadziwa kuti mumayang'anira masewera awiri, momwe nyenyezi za zisudzo za ku Russia ndi cinema zimagwirira ntchito. Onsewa amve poyera ndikuvomereza kuti ndinu mtsogoleri wodabwitsa kwambiri. Pa nthawi yomweyi, mukuchita nawo masewero, mumasewera zaka 75 pa siteji, mumajambula mafilimu ndikukhalabe amasiku ano ... Kodi mungagwirizane bwanji? Kodi mungasamalire bwanji?
Ndi zophweka kwambiri. Muyenera kukonda ntchito yanu. Chitani bizinesi yomwe mumaikonda. Lankhulani ndi anthu omwe amawakonda. Perekani nthawi zonse mwayi wokonza osati kumanga mbiri, koma ingokhala. Ndipo kuti akhale ulamuliro pakati pa anthu a zaka makumi atatu ndi makumi atatu mphambu makumi asanu ndi atatu (30), munthu ayenera kukumbukira zomwe adalota pa ubwana wake. Koma ichi si chinthu chachikulu.
- Gawani yaikulu?
Werengani Shakespeare. "Hamlet" ndi buku limene mungapeze mayankho ambiri ndi mafunso atsopano. Panthawi ina, mwinamwake, ndinali pafupi zaka 30-33, ndinanena mawu a Hamlet:
"Chizoloŵezi ndi mdani wa moyo wonse," ndipo anayamba kukhala monga choncho! Musagwiritsidwe ntchito, koma khalani moyo. Ngakhale ndikukonda chitonthozo. Zabwino kudya - ndimakonda. Kukhala ndi anzanga mu malo odyera abwino - ndithudi. Pamene akuwonetsa mpira kapena hockey - sindimachoka panyumbamo. Choncho dziweruzireni nokha-zizoloŵezi zanga ziri zoipa kapena ayi.
- Ndi moyo Oleg Tabakov - munthu wovulaza kwa okondedwa?
Ndiwe chiyani ... Ndiwe chiyani ... Ndine munthu pachiyambi cha moyo, monga Carlson adanena. Ndili womasuka kwambiri pamoyo wa tsiku ndi tsiku. Ndikufuna pang'ono, koma konkire. Izi zikutanthauza kuti ngati mwana wa Pasha akudziwa kuti m'mawa ndimamwa tiyi wakuda ndi supuni zitatu za shuga, mkate woyera ndi mafuta ndi apricot kupanikizana, ndikudya chakudya cham'mawa.
- Kodi mwadziphunzitsa nokha?
Ayi, si choncho. Ndiwe chiyani ... Zili chabe kuti ife m'banja lathu timapangidwira kuti wina ndi mzake azisangalatsa komanso zabwino. Kwa akazi awo - mofanana ndi mkazi ndi mwana wamkazi - ndimapatsa maluwa nthawi zonse. Ndibwino kuiwala za March 8, chifukwa aliyense amachita izi. Koma nthawi zonse kumbukirani za mphatso ndi maluwa - izi, malingaliro anga, ziri zolondola.
- Ndibwino. Ndikukuuzani ichi ngati mkazi!
Ndicho chimene ndikuganiza! Ndipo ndikukhumba kuti pafupi ndi mkazi aliyense panali mwamuna amene amamukumbukira, osati za maholide ena enieni.
- Nanga mukusowa chiyani mkazi wamakono?
Ufulu kuchokera pamakonzedwe ndi misonkhano yomwe amayi okondeka adakwanitsa kupeza m'zaka zapitazi. Komabe - phunzirani kusabisa maganizo. Muyenera kukhala omasuka ndi kuyankhula
- "Ndimakonda", "Ndikufuna", "Ndikudziwa".
"Koma amuna amakonda zokonda." Nchifukwa chiyani tiyenera kuyika makhadi onse patsogolo panu nthawi yomweyo?
Ndichifukwa chake sikokwanira kukhala mkazi. Ndikofunika kukhala mkazi wanzeru amene anganene izi kuti mwamuna, ngati samamukonda, angaganize kuti: "Nanga bwanji ngati ndikupita kwanga?" Mukuona? Palibe amene anganene kuti ndidzagwirizana ndi mphamvu zomwe zilipo. Ndipo anthu onse anadabwa kwambiri atasonyeza kuti ndingathe. Kodi mukuganiza kuti ndine wolakalaka kwambiri? Ayi! Ndinangofuna kuti mu zisudzo, zomwe zaka zambiri zinkasungidwa m'nyumba zinyumba ndi nyumba zosiyanasiyana, zinakonzedwanso kwenikweni kuti ochita masewero asule zovala, zovala zenizeni. Kuti ochita masewerowa atha kuyambiranso kudya ndikudya bwino m'chipinda chodyera, amwe tiyi m'chipinda chawo chovala ndiyeno nthawi ya 7 koloko masana kuti apite kukongola, kusonkhanitsidwa ndikusintha, kuti agonjetse wogonera. Ndicho chifukwa cha izi zonse, ndine wochenjera, koma moona mtima.
- Musayende pamtima pa nyimbo yanu?
Ayi, si choncho. Mwamtheradi. Ndidzabwerezanso kamodzi. Zonse zomwe ndikuchita ndi zosangalatsa komanso chifukwa ndimamvetsa kufunika kwa zochita zanga ndi zomwe zimaphatikizapo.
Kodi uwu ndi ntchito kwa inu?
Ntchito? Zikumveka mokweza. Ayi, si choncho. Mukudziwa, mtsogoleri wamkulu Jury Butusov, Hamlet akufunsa funso lakuti "Kukhala kapena osakhala", koma "Khalani chomwe chidzakhala. Chilichonse chili chotheka. " Kotero ine sindimayesa kudzikakamiza ndekha kuti ndichite chinachake chifukwa cha masewera, koma ine ndikungochita izo. Tsogolo, monga Ranevskaya adanena, akadali hule. Ndikuyembekeza, adzandipatsa nthawi yambiri yochita zinthu zofunika.
"Kodi ukuganiza za imfa?"
Sindingoganizira za izi, ndikudziwa zambiri za izo!
"Kodi watopa ndi mantha?"
Nthenda yanga yoyamba ya mtima inachitika ali ndi zaka 29. Pambuyo pake, panali nthawi zina, zochitika. Ndipo nthawi iliyonse, ziribe kanthu momwe ndiliri wolimba mtima, imfa idakondabe nkhope yanga. Kotero ine ndinayang'ana mmenemo. Ndipo kangapo. Ndipo nditayang'ana, ndikudziwa kuti sikuyenera kuopa mkazi wachikulire uyu.